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	<description>Jon Jones is an Art Outsourcing Manager in the video game industry.</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.jonjones.com/2005/06/22/marketing-for-artists/comment-page-1/#comment-368289</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 Dawn, I know exactly the kind of people you&#039;re talking about. Some people are small-minded and insecure, and generally they won&#039;t go far professionally. I&#039;ve always had good luck making friends with people that&#039;ll take the time to help me improve, and leaving the others behind. :)

#12 Ryan, thank you! :)

#13 Vice, thanks man! I&#039;m in agreement with you on all points. Being able to remain objective about your own work while listening to constructive criticism is a mark of a professional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 Dawn, I know exactly the kind of people you&#8217;re talking about. Some people are small-minded and insecure, and generally they won&#8217;t go far professionally. I&#8217;ve always had good luck making friends with people that&#8217;ll take the time to help me improve, and leaving the others behind. :)</p>
<p>#12 Ryan, thank you! :)</p>
<p>#13 Vice, thanks man! I&#8217;m in agreement with you on all points. Being able to remain objective about your own work while listening to constructive criticism is a mark of a professional.</p>
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		<title>By: Vice</title>
		<link>http://www.jonjones.com/2005/06/22/marketing-for-artists/comment-page-1/#comment-367853</link>
		<dc:creator>Vice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for great advice Jon. I feel really good about myslef right now &#039;cause it seems I&#039;m doing many things right :)

I just want to address all the pros out there - please don&#039;t stop giving adivce because some of the people don&#039;t appreciate them. I know the feeling of trying to help out and then being crapped on because of it. But I can tell from my perspective (a guy who&#039;s giving it all to improve and make it in the industry). Thanks to all advice I get from selfless people on different art sites/forums I continue to improve on daily basis. Without them I&#039;d be dead in the water.

Now - I&#039;m not an expert by any stretch of imagination, but the way I see it there needs to be a certain &quot;disconnect&quot; between a person and his work. In a sense that you need to be objective about it. Recieve a criticism and don&#039;t take it to heart. I know it hurts when your&#039;re proud of your work and someone comes and takes it apart, but that&#039;s exactly what&#039;s gonna happen if you ever get to play with the big boys. So bite through it and try to work on whatever just got slapped :)

Also I can&#039;t tell how many times I thought &quot;Yeah there&#039;s no way it&#039;ll look better if I do that, but the guy seems to know what he&#039;s talking about so I might aswell listen&quot;. In 95% of the cases I end up saying - &quot;Yup, he was right, and it&#039;s a good thing I listened&quot;. Sometimes it&#039;s not in the mood or direction you want your piece to go in, but very rarely, and even if that&#039;s the case you still end up learning something.

Sorry for the long rant, I just wanted to say it would be a sad day if people with skill and the know-how gave up on us newcomers because of idiots that publish their work just to stroke their ego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for great advice Jon. I feel really good about myslef right now &#8217;cause it seems I&#8217;m doing many things right :)</p>
<p>I just want to address all the pros out there &#8211; please don&#8217;t stop giving adivce because some of the people don&#8217;t appreciate them. I know the feeling of trying to help out and then being crapped on because of it. But I can tell from my perspective (a guy who&#8217;s giving it all to improve and make it in the industry). Thanks to all advice I get from selfless people on different art sites/forums I continue to improve on daily basis. Without them I&#8217;d be dead in the water.</p>
<p>Now &#8211; I&#8217;m not an expert by any stretch of imagination, but the way I see it there needs to be a certain &#8220;disconnect&#8221; between a person and his work. In a sense that you need to be objective about it. Recieve a criticism and don&#8217;t take it to heart. I know it hurts when your&#8217;re proud of your work and someone comes and takes it apart, but that&#8217;s exactly what&#8217;s gonna happen if you ever get to play with the big boys. So bite through it and try to work on whatever just got slapped :)</p>
<p>Also I can&#8217;t tell how many times I thought &#8220;Yeah there&#8217;s no way it&#8217;ll look better if I do that, but the guy seems to know what he&#8217;s talking about so I might aswell listen&#8221;. In 95% of the cases I end up saying &#8211; &#8220;Yup, he was right, and it&#8217;s a good thing I listened&#8221;. Sometimes it&#8217;s not in the mood or direction you want your piece to go in, but very rarely, and even if that&#8217;s the case you still end up learning something.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long rant, I just wanted to say it would be a sad day if people with skill and the know-how gave up on us newcomers because of idiots that publish their work just to stroke their ego.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.jonjones.com/2005/06/22/marketing-for-artists/comment-page-1/#comment-367736</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant, and echoes a lot of advice I give out to both new and old artists alike!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant, and echoes a lot of advice I give out to both new and old artists alike!</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://www.jonjones.com/2005/06/22/marketing-for-artists/comment-page-1/#comment-366977</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 03:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The third is one that definitely needs to be learned by a lot of artists. I&#039;m fond of writing critiques and I write seriously detailed ones, I&#039;ll give suggestions, books to check out and will even link reference materials and discuss things down to the tiniest minutiae.

Yet without fail, there will always be a couple of people out of every group I give critiques to who go ballistic and flip their lid at the very idea that their work might not be absolutely pristine and perfect.

Of course they always insist on &quot;critiquing me back&quot; this seems to consist of calling names, telling me that my work &quot;sucks&quot; so I have no right to comment on the art of my &quot;betters&quot; and generally abusing me left, right and center. It&#039;s sad that a small percentage of artists apparently believe that the person who write &quot;kewl&quot; on their work is someone who cares about their progress and that anyone who spends up to an hour on actually writing something detailed and considered about their art is just a big meanie out to hurt their feelings.

Most of them usually accompany the huge fit over the critique by pointing out how many fans/other marks of popularity they have and insisting that some arbitrary number of people liking it means it&#039;s perfect.

Of course such people make people like me not want to help anyone.

What are even more baffling is the odd one who asked for critique then goes ballistic at getting it. I don&#039;t get people who ask for something they don&#039;t really want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The third is one that definitely needs to be learned by a lot of artists. I&#8217;m fond of writing critiques and I write seriously detailed ones, I&#8217;ll give suggestions, books to check out and will even link reference materials and discuss things down to the tiniest minutiae.</p>
<p>Yet without fail, there will always be a couple of people out of every group I give critiques to who go ballistic and flip their lid at the very idea that their work might not be absolutely pristine and perfect.</p>
<p>Of course they always insist on &#8220;critiquing me back&#8221; this seems to consist of calling names, telling me that my work &#8220;sucks&#8221; so I have no right to comment on the art of my &#8220;betters&#8221; and generally abusing me left, right and center. It&#8217;s sad that a small percentage of artists apparently believe that the person who write &#8220;kewl&#8221; on their work is someone who cares about their progress and that anyone who spends up to an hour on actually writing something detailed and considered about their art is just a big meanie out to hurt their feelings.</p>
<p>Most of them usually accompany the huge fit over the critique by pointing out how many fans/other marks of popularity they have and insisting that some arbitrary number of people liking it means it&#8217;s perfect.</p>
<p>Of course such people make people like me not want to help anyone.</p>
<p>What are even more baffling is the odd one who asked for critique then goes ballistic at getting it. I don&#8217;t get people who ask for something they don&#8217;t really want.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.jonjones.com/2005/06/22/marketing-for-artists/comment-page-1/#comment-342893</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I never intended it to sound easy. :) But anything really worth doing is difficult to some degree...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I never intended it to sound easy. :) But anything really worth doing is difficult to some degree&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Aoyama</title>
		<link>http://www.jonjones.com/2005/06/22/marketing-for-artists/comment-page-1/#comment-341743</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Aoyama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to know when to stop doing such things as networking but becoming a presence on an actual web-community is actually tougher than it sounds.  You really need to pay attention and speak smartly without getting away with yourself and sounding like a babbling moron.  

With so many great, huge art forums its hard to know where to begin.

Great article and very necessary advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to know when to stop doing such things as networking but becoming a presence on an actual web-community is actually tougher than it sounds.  You really need to pay attention and speak smartly without getting away with yourself and sounding like a babbling moron.  </p>
<p>With so many great, huge art forums its hard to know where to begin.</p>
<p>Great article and very necessary advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Micah!! :)  I&#039;m glad you liked the article and got something out of it. I&#039;ve always felt that this is one of my best articles since it&#039;s such an important subject, but I&#039;ve gotten very, very little response to it overall. Glad someone gets it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Micah!! :)  I&#8217;m glad you liked the article and got something out of it. I&#8217;ve always felt that this is one of my best articles since it&#8217;s such an important subject, but I&#8217;ve gotten very, very little response to it overall. Glad someone gets it!</p>
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		<title>By: Micah McNeely</title>
		<link>http://www.jonjones.com/2005/06/22/marketing-for-artists/comment-page-1/#comment-29167</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah McNeely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I am a recent graduate and currently seeking work in the gaming industry. I have read this article and found it to not only be inspiring but, interesting. I appreciate the advice laid out here and plan to apply it in the near future.It is hard to hear that your work is not perfect but, I agree the way to grow and become successful is through hard to hear true advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I am a recent graduate and currently seeking work in the gaming industry. I have read this article and found it to not only be inspiring but, interesting. I appreciate the advice laid out here and plan to apply it in the near future.It is hard to hear that your work is not perfect but, I agree the way to grow and become successful is through hard to hear true advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Jones, smArtist &#187; Smart people are dumb. Failure is awesome.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Jones, smArtist &#187; Smart people are dumb. Failure is awesome.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I said before in my Marketing for Artists article that 90% of success is showing up. And that&#8217;s what these crappy people have that &#8220;smart&#8221; people don&#8217;t. The will to keep showing up. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I said before in my Marketing for Artists article that 90% of success is showing up. And that&#8217;s what these crappy people have that &#8220;smart&#8221; people don&#8217;t. The will to keep showing up. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Wanamaker</title>
		<link>http://www.jonjones.com/2005/06/22/marketing-for-artists/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Wanamaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good advice, Jon. In particular, the parts about being able to take advice, and then to place a value on it, is critical for people who want to improve. I generally avoid message boards where industry-hopefuls reside, largely because so many of them want to hit up pro&#039;s for advice, only to later &quot;explain&quot; why something they submitted looks lacking or, worse, attack the person giving the advice. Some people are just not ready to play with grown-ups yet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advice, Jon. In particular, the parts about being able to take advice, and then to place a value on it, is critical for people who want to improve. I generally avoid message boards where industry-hopefuls reside, largely because so many of them want to hit up pro&#8217;s for advice, only to later &#8220;explain&#8221; why something they submitted looks lacking or, worse, attack the person giving the advice. Some people are just not ready to play with grown-ups yet&#8230;</p>
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